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ME/CFS Mild → no benefitIll for 2 years

Debilitated by ME/CFS, no improvement after ALCAR and B6

Condition
ME/CFS
At worst
Mild (working or studying, with limits)
Ill for
2 years
Last post
Mar 2021
In their words
  • Condition: ME/CFSI’d like to know if talking to my doc about CFS makes sense. In context ↗
  • At worst: MildI can get a solid work day in even if I feel like shit pretty reliably. In context ↗
  • Now: No benefitCurrently I still experience extreme exhaustion, brain fog and gastroparesis. In context ↗
  • Began after: nothing they could nameThese issues had been manageable until January 2019.
Read from 5 of their posts and comments; links to the 5 this page draws on

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Summary

Oak 70616 fell ill in January 2019 with joint pain, cramps, fatigue and brain fog, becoming debilitated by November 2019. In June 2020, after starting ALCAR, they developed migraines with aura, light and sound sensitivity and goiters, and after taking B6 they developed neuropathy, ataxia and shallow breathing. Zinc caused initial anxiety and irritability but later improved joint pain, vision and anxiety; by March 2021 exhaustion, brain fog and gastroparesis were still debilitating.

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What they tried

Their words about each treatment
  • B complex · WorseTested 1/4th of a B complex containing 10mg B6 and triggered 4 days of migraines, tinnitus and anxiety. In context ↗
  • creatine · Not saidI had been taking B complex and creatine and continued to take these until recently I stopped the B complex. In context ↗
  • exercise as much as possible · Not saidI continued to exercise as much as possible throughout. In context ↗
  • Dexedrine · HelpedPrescribed Dexedrine 30mg / day as needed for ADD which helped a lot. In context ↗
  • magnesium · HelpedI had been taking magnesium with my Dexedrine which helped the side effects In context ↗
  • Bactrim · Not saidI took Bactrim at 160mg/800mg x 2 / day for three months. In context ↗
  • ALCAR (acetyl-L-Carnitine) · Much worseDay 1 I felt much better than I had in a long time. After 6 days at 750mg x 2 / day I developed In context ↗
  • B6 as pyridoxine Hcl · Much worseTook 50mg B6 as pyridoxine Hcl as I was told it helps with sleep. Developed intense neuropathy in hands and feet, ataxia and shallow breathing. In context ↗
  • zinc · HelpedStarted zinc at 25mg / day, caused anxiety and irritability initially but improvements in joint pain, vision and anxiety developed after a few days. In context ↗
  • probiotics, fermented food and more fiber · No changeTried probiotics, fermented food and eating more fiber to improve digestion but nothing worked. In context ↗
  • eating meat regularly · Not saidStarted eating meat regularly In context ↗
  • Kratom · HelpedIt works great for pain, motivation, focus and mood. In context ↗
  • cannabis · HelpedI’m totally useless on cannabis but it’s OK for sleeping. In context ↗
  • 5-MTHF · HelpedIt’s called 5-MTHF. Has a pretty strong antidepressant effect for me. In context ↗
  • sulbutiamine · Helpedyesterday I tried sulbutiamine for the first time ... It was honestly amazing, I experienced real, actual, clear, functional sweet sweet executive function! In context ↗
  • curcumin · No changeTried curcumin and no luck with that. In context ↗
  • caffeine · No changeToday I took my ADD stimulant, caffeine and a nicotine lozenge and still have absolutely no motivation or focus. In context ↗

Their path

What they say at each step doesn’t fit the worst point or outcome above on the severity scale, so the steps are listed as they describe them. Dates are when they posted.

WhenWhat happened
January 2019joint pain, cramps, fatigue, brain fog beganJan 2019 Started to experience joint pain mostly in the knees and cramps in calves. This disrupted my sleep and I also experienced intense fatigue, brain fog and loss of libido. In context ↗
November 2019symptoms became debilitatingNov 2019 Joint pain, fatigue and brain fog eventually became debilitating. In context ↗
June 2020worse after ALCAR and BactrimDiscontinued Bactrim and ALCAR but it took weeks for symptoms to improve. In context ↗
September 2020zinc eased joint pain, vision and anxietycaused anxiety and irritability initially but improvements in joint pain, vision and anxiety developed after a few days In context ↗
March 2021still exhausted, foggy and gastropareticCurrently I still experience extreme exhaustion, brain fog and gastroparesis. In context ↗

Adverse events

  • Cannabis (THC, marijuana)“I’m totally useless on cannabis but it’s OK for sleeping.” In context ↗ Side effects
  • L-carnitine“After 6 days at 750mg x 2 / day I developed: -Migraine with aura -Sensitivity to light and sound -Constipation -back pain -restless sleep -Acne -Intense brain fog -Depression and anxiety -Goiters -Dry mouth / Dry eyes -Horse throat” In context ↗ Side effects
  • “Developed intense neuropathy in hands and feet, ataxia and shallow breathing.” In context ↗ Nerve pain
  • “The next day I had cracked skin in the corners of my mouth and dandruff.” In context ↗ Side effects
  • Zinc“Started zinc at 25mg / day, caused anxiety and irritability initially” In context ↗ Mood or psychiatric effects
  • Vitamin B complex“Tested 1/4th of a B complex containing 10mg B6 and triggered 4 days of migraines, tinnitus and anxiety.” In context ↗ Made symptoms worse

Symptoms mentioned

Their words about their symptoms
  • Pain & fibromyalgiaStarted to experience joint pain mostly in the knees and cramps in calves In context ↗
  • Brain fogCurrently I still experience extreme exhaustion, brain fog and gastroparesis. In context ↗
  • Sleep problemsThis disrupted my sleep and I also experienced intense fatigue In context ↗
  • Headaches & migraineMigraine with aura In context ↗
  • Neuropathy & tinglingDeveloped neuropathy like issues in left cheek and right thy In context ↗
  • Gut problemsI’ve also developed delayed gastric emptying over the last few months. In context ↗
  • Light & noise sensitivitySensitivity to light and sound In context ↗
  • Anxiety & low moodI’ve dealt with depression and ADD my whole adult life but it’s been different the past two years. In context ↗
  • Breathlessnessataxia and shallow breathing In context ↗

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