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ME/CFS Severe → somewhat betterIll 30 years before improving or writingNeeds ongoing treatment

ME/CFS 30 years, mostly couch- or bed-bound, somewhat better with quercetin and mestinon

Condition
ME/CFS
At worst
Severe (mostly bedbound)
Ill before improving or writing
30 years
Last post
Mar 2024
In their words
  • Condition: ME/CFSquickly discovered how it not only helped me walk but also helped my me/cfs symptoms In context ↗
  • At worst: SevereThe rest of the week I’m primarily couch bound/bed bound. In context ↗
  • Now: Somewhat betterI recently began mestinon and have been experiencing improvement in many of these symptoms ... The rest of the week I’m primarily couch bound/bed bound.
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Summary

Breeze 99398 fell ill in high school about 30 years ago, with memory and grades dropping overnight, and is now couch- or bed-bound most of each week. Quercetin ended years of nausea and lost appetite within days, and mestinon improved muscle control, walking and speech, though a three-week break reversed that within days. Cold therapy made them significantly worse; heat helps.

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What they tried

Also tried

Heat (electric blanket, hot water bottles, heat plasters)· HelpedMedication that turned out to be a histamine stabiliser· HelpedQuercetin· HelpedCodeine· HelpedCold therapy· WorseGabapentin· WorseBenzodiazepine· WorseTENS machine· Much worseH1 antihistamines· Not saidH2 blockers· Not said
Their words about each treatment
  • Heat (electric blanket, hot water bottles, heat plasters) · HelpedHeat also helps for me. I have a heated blanket on almost 24/7 and hot water bottles In context ↗
  • TENS machine · Much worseI tried one off and on for months for my arms and hands about 20 years ago, turned out I had SFN and it only made matters much worse. In context ↗
  • Cold therapy · Worsecold is one of my biggest triggers, attempting this therapy made me significantly worse for some time In context ↗
  • Gabapentin · WorseMy experience with both gabapentin and benzodiazepine has been almost the same as yours, I agree with you. In context ↗
  • Electrolytes · HelpedIncreasing electrolytes beyond what I was already having (Dysautonomia). In context ↗
  • Amitriptyline · HelpedSleep management which for me is amitriptyline, each prolonged crash has required getting sleep back on track In context ↗
  • Complete rest · HelpedTruly getting it into my thick head that complete rest is a crucial and vital activity, not a passive one. In context ↗
  • Medication that turned out to be a histamine stabiliser · HelpedI began taking them, extreeeeemley cautiously for an EDS related issue to do with spinal and leg issues, and quickly discovered how it not only helped me walk but also helped my me/cfs symptoms. In context ↗
  • H1 antihistamines · Not saidupped h1 and h2 but it was the almost immediate (2 days) effect of quercetin that really shocked me! In context ↗
  • Quercetin · HelpedWithin a couple of days on Quercentin it was the first time in several years I felt a strong hunger sensation emerge, and can now actually keep meals down without symptoms/comsequences! In context ↗
  • Mestinon · Helped a lotI recently began mestinon and have been experiencing improvement in many of these symptoms In context ↗
  • Codeine · HelpedI have EDS so I take codeine as part of my pain management but I need a high dose for any effect In context ↗
  • Antibiotics · HelpedI feel so much better on them. Before beginning POTS treatments, antibiotics would regulate my erratic heartbeat and blood pressure too. In context ↗
  • Warm climate / tropics · Helpedonce I’m in the tropics my health and symptoms improve, sitting in a greenhouse too In context ↗

Approaches: POTS medication · Antibiotics · Pacing · Tricyclic antidepressants

Their path

Very severeSevereModerateMildNear normalRecoveredonset6 y12 y18 y24 y30 y

How ill they were on the ME/CFS severity scale, estimated from what they describe at each point, with time counted from when the illness began. Hover or tap a point. 3 steps say too little to place on the scale and are only in the table. Dates are when they posted. What the levels mean.

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WhenWhat happenedWhere they wereAfter
high school, roughly 30 years before 2024became ill in high school; grades and comprehension dropped overnightI became sick in high school roughly 30 years ago and felt I became ‘dumb’ almost overnight. My grades dropped dramatically In context ↗Mild
2023-11-18significantly worse for some time after trying cold therapyattempting this therapy made me significantly worse for some time In context ↗Not stated
2024-03-09hunger and ability to keep meals down returned within days on quercetinWithin a couple of days on Quercentin it was the first time in several years I felt a strong hunger sensation emerge In context ↗Not statedBaicalein and quercetin
2024-03-11mestinon improved muscle control, walking short distances and speechI found control over my muscles and muscle strength improve, allowed me to walk short distances again too In context ↗ModerateMestinon / pyridostigmine
2024-03-11lost cognitive function within days of a three-week mestinon breakI’m currently on a 3 week break from mestinon and it was only a matter of a couple of days before I lost this function In context ↗Not stated
2024-03-23couch- or bed-bound most of the week, with two days of activity on codeineThe rest of the week I’m primarily couch bound/bed bound. In context ↗Severe

Adverse events

Symptoms mentioned

Their words about their symptoms
  • Post-exertional malaiseI didn’t understand PEM so well back then In context ↗
  • Brain fogMy memory is shot, along with many other cognitive symptoms that have only worsened slowly overtime. In context ↗
  • POTS & dysautonomiaThe improvement in pots symptoms at 30mg In context ↗
  • Mast cell (MCAS) & allergiesI’m allergic to most antibiotics (mcas), only a couple I can take so they’re kept for strictly emergencies only. In context ↗
  • Sleep problemsSleep management which for me is amitriptyline In context ↗
  • Pain & fibromyalgiaI take codeine as part of my pain management ... frankly it barely touches the pain In context ↗
  • Gut problemsConstant nausea and frequent vomiting or syncope after small meals, and zero sense of appetite ever In context ↗
  • Temperature regulationI’m almost always in a state of mild hypothermia unless I have direct heat on me In context ↗
  • Muscle weaknessI found control over my muscles and muscle strength improve, allowed me to walk short distances again too In context ↗
  • Heart symptoms & palpitationsantibiotics would regulate my erratic heartbeat and blood pressure too In context ↗
  • Neuropathy & tinglingturned out I had SFN and it only made matters much worse In context ↗

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